How fast will it be? Monday, 28-Aug-2000 16:56:25 Message: 209.253.101.20 writes: Ok, I need your guesstimate on my new combo. I know this is mild by what you guys run, but I really respect you opinions on what my 1/4 mile E.T. will be. The motor- 1776 counterweighted crank Dual Weber 40 idf Stock ported heads from Jim Lutz at StrictlyGerman. Intakes matched to heads Engle 110 cam 7.5-1 compression 1-3/8 header w/ heater boxes The car- 56 type 1 1880 lbs. w/ driver 165r-15 radials Stock 1962 swing axle/ 1700 LB clutch/stock disc My best E.T. with my old motor was 16.8, I hoping to at least get in the 15's Any suggestions? I was thinking about going to a 120 cam or maybe 1.25 rockers. James2

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To get into the 15's you will need more cam,more compression,more carb,Close ratio gears,& TRACTION (n/t) (James Lutz) (28-Aug-2000 21:43:59)

Re: Actually S.O.D.A. and I put together a 1679 that pushed his stock '65 (stock weight, stock gears) to 14.78. MORE>>>! (Jim Ratto) (29-Aug-2000 01:00:23)

Re: Re: If you want STREETABLE (highway too!!) 15's out of a daily driver, I would suggest 1776, 8.0:1-8.5:1, Engle 120 with 1.25 rockers, nice heads (40 x 35.5 with work, the more port work for your application, the better), dual 44IDF or 45DRLA, merge 1-5/8 header and high flow muffler, 12lb f/w, KEP 1700 with solid disc, stock trans with good mounts and Berg traction bar. If you can drive, you'll be in the 15's easy, and be able to drive it to work. HAVE FUN! (n/t) (Jim Ratto) (29-Aug-2000 01:05:14)

Re: Re: Re: PS: I personally know of about 6-7 motors identical to this that cruised throught the 15's no problem. Just an FYI before you think you can't do it. YOU CAN!!! GO FOR IT!!! (n/t) (Jim Ratto (again!)) (29-Aug-2000 01:16:58)

Just high 15's? I don't think I can go for a close ratio gear box, because I need to drive on the highway. (n/t) (28-Aug-2000 22:16:08)

Ok, if runninga 15 is going to break me, how fast will this thing run? I'm just after Hondas, I'll get the 'stangs next time around. If I just add abigger cam, is it going to fall down on the bottom? (n/t) (28-Aug-2000 22:24:53)

I put a 120 in my 1904.. 74x90.5, 7:1 comp. 44's w/ 32 vent and I hated it. save your money buy heads, a little bigger cam, and comp.. youll like it, I think the 110 is a great cam for what you have now. (n/t) (dean n.) (29-Aug-2000 00:04:15)

It all depends on what you like in power. If you like low end torque for drivability, then the 110 is fine. Don't expect to win any races. Personally I like a little more cam for better top end power. So I have to down gear to pull hills. My 1600cc mouse motor has a VZ-30 cam ( 298d/.507L) on stock ported heads, 8.6:1cr. Very soggy down low, but make decent power at 3,000 and really comes on at 4,000-6,800. Turned 15.38 in the 1/4. 1.48,3rd and 1.0,4th gear. 3,200 @ 60mph. If you run bigger cam you will need more compression to make it work. Iove my little motor. Lopes and sputters down low( sounds cool to me). Has the feel of a big badd a$$ race engine with power to smoke the tires too. (n/t) (Ohio Tom) (29-Aug-2000 00:26:40)

Re: [email protected] .Wish I could be more exact but it's only an estimate. (Magoo) (29-Aug-2000 01:35:39)

stock gears can work (kevin) (29-Aug-2000 01:55:29)

Re: IF YOU PUT TWO TO THREE EXTRA SHIMS IN BELT,,NOT RUNNING CAR IN 4TH PUSH CAR W/KNEE & PEEL LOOSE BELT, MAKE A PASS, TOPEND, CAR OFF REVERSE PROSESS PUT BELT BACK ON GO GET SLIP!!! SHOULD 1/2 SEC.!!!YOU MUST RUN BELT!!!YOU CAN PROB GO 30 SEC.W/OUT!!!POP OFF FRNT SHOCKS TRY AGAIN!!!W/ BELT OFF SHOULD BE 3/4 SEC FASTER!!!YOU CAN SEND ME THE SAVINGS OF THE CAM SWAP!!!!! & STILL RUN 15'S OR CLOSE TRY A COOL CAN FOR LAST TENTH???? MAYBE STICK SOME LEAD IN IT????MORE BOTTOM END & SHORT SHIFTER IT!!!SOUNDS LIKE YOU'LL HAVE TO GIVE ME A COUPLE CARS!!! (n/t) (d.berg) (29-Aug-2000 03:56:38)

Re: Re: HEAD START!!! LIKE I SAID THOUGH,,,I'LL GIVE AN OLD LADY 1/2 THE CROSSWALK & GO AFTER HER!!!GOOD LUCK & DON'T BURN UP SOMEONES HARD WORK!!! (n/t) (d.berg) (29-Aug-2000 04:08:39)

I'll probably just go with what I got, but thanks for all the help. I might try a set of 1.25 rockers later on and switch to a merged header next summer. A BIG thanks to John at aircooled.net for putting up with my questions and to Jim at StrictlyGerman for helping with the heads and carbs! I would recommend either to anybody looking for help with aircooled parts. Thanks Doug for your input. I was looking at E.T times for the new cars that they have posted in the back of Car and Driver, Low 16's will still smoke most four cylinders and a lot of V-6's. I might get another bug that I don't have to drive everyday and build it a little hotter. Of course I still got my Fiberglass buggy ........ (n/t) (29-Aug-2000 12:00:11)

This is really special. A thank you with both Jim and John! (n/t) (Steve Arndt) (29-Aug-2000 12:12:09)

Re: I was looking at E.T times for the new cars....And most of the Rice Boys can't turn times like that without squeeze! More (Magoo) (30-Aug-2000 02:25:04)

hey you guys, where do you find 1/4m times of new cars... i found a site of 1/4m times for different cars, but i am looking for another one, as this one isn't really updated with newer and european cars.... thanx! do not reply here, mail me (n/t) (fastfred) (30-Aug-2000 10:55:05)

Yea I know, a friend of mine has a honda prelude, according to C&D it should run 15.40. He added a K&N filter and took it to the track, it turned 15.8. Another thing is those times are with professional drivers and are corected for sea level, so unless you are running at sea level and are willing to dump the clutch on your new honda at 5000 rpm, you'll never get the times they publish. That's why I'm thinking a low 16 will dust most of the four bangers, like the Civic Si and the new MR2. (n/t) (James2) (30-Aug-2000 16:46:55)

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Re: Actually S.O.D.A. and I put together a 1679 that pushed his stock '65 (stock weight, stock gears) to 14.78. MORE>>>! Tuesday, 29-Aug-2000 01:00:23 152.163.194.179 writes: 88 x 69 8.0:1 Roger Crawford stock valved 35.5 x 32 heads Web Cam 110 with Scat 1.25's dual 40IDF's 1-5/8 merge with Maganflow 92 octane, stock 4.12 trans, Dunlop 185/60/15 radials, full weight. yep it was fast for its size. And S.O.D.A. can bang them gears. Jim Ratto

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Re: [email protected] .Wish I could be more exact but it's only an estimate. Tuesday, 29-Aug-2000 01:35:39 205.188.197.168 writes: Similar to my '72 sedan with mild 1776 ,same cam c/r heads close,1978 lbs 16.61 @ 79.114 your car less weigh better gearing for strip work if you have 4.37b r/p so that's my guess. A very happy combo, but i think the bugpack rods killed it. Magoo

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stock gears can work Tuesday, 29-Aug-2000 01:55:29 152.163.204.58 writes: didnt chris andrews run way into the thirteens with stock gearing and 165 tires at sac a couple of years ago.im probably wrong but i thought this was a pump gas engine kevin

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Re: I was looking at E.T times for the new cars....And most of the Rice Boys can't turn times like that without squeeze! More Wednesday, 30-Aug-2000 02:25:04 205.188.193.158 writes: The times that C&D publish never seem to amaze me Other mags are usually 3-5 tenths slower and R&T is much more acurate on pure stock et s REmember when they tested a New '64 GTO and it ran 12's at 112? Turns out C&D never even got ONE run in a 1/4 mile with clocks they used a stop watch!!!Kinda like "This sucker is FAST!, Bill what you think ,12,thirteen, sumpthin'o ? nine? Oh,OK 12.8 it is.And now how fast do you suppose we were goin'? Say about 140 ? oh really only about a hun? well that don't sound fast! Let's call it 112 OK ? Read Jim Wangers book for more neat stuff not vw related Magoo

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